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Last week we welcomed Pandora cofounder Tim Westergren and CTO Tom Conrad to the PandoMonthly stage. The pair discussed early challenges, the tensions between streaming services and artists, the company’s long, arduous battles in Congress, and some crucial advice that helped the entrepreneurs get through some of their toughest times.

Pandora still has many challenges ahead of it. Music isn’t exactly an easy nor predictable industry to navigate. But the big takeaway from Westergren and Conrad’s chat was that, even when it feels like nothing is going right and your startup is doomed, by sticking to a few core ideals and putting everything into what you do best, pretty amazing things can happen.

Watch the full interview below: