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Steve Case, a co-founder of AOL and the chief executive of Revolution, joined Pando’s Sarah Lacy on Thursday to discuss the Internet’s journey from dial-up oddity to modern wonder.

The interview covered everything from AOL’s early troubles and its merger with Time Warner to the effect “Obamacare” could have on startups and made the case for immigration reform. (No pun intended.) He also explained why startups need to work with governments in what he dubbed the third wave of the Internet. The full interview is available for streaming below.

The next PandoMonthly will be in San Francisco with Floodgate founding partner Mike Maples Jr. on May 8. Then we’ll be making our way to Nashville for the Southland conference with Al Gore and all the music, barbecue, and whiskey you’d expect from the country’s music capital.